Wednesday, November 12, 2008


Is this a good place or a bad place for a check raise?
Full Tilt Poker Game #8942372455: Carbides league #2 (67535854), Table 2 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:07:50 ET - 2008/11/12
Seat 1: Don8tion Plz (3,840)
Seat 2: Wirdpear (2,865)
Seat 3: whitstick (3,660)
Seat 4: columbo (2,955)
Seat 6: Durand Dirty (2,130)
Seat 7: for funzies (2,835)
Seat 9: TheTurnBurglar (2,715)
whitstick posts the small blind of 15
columbo posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to columbo [7s Ts]
whitstick: too money
Durand Dirty has 15 seconds left to act
Durand Dirty folds
for funzies calls 30
TheTurnBurglar folds
Don8tion Plz calls 30
Wirdpear calls 30
whitstick calls 15
columbo checks
*** FLOP *** [As 7d Qs]
whitstick checks
columbo bets 150
for funzies calls 150
Don8tion Plz folds
Wirdpear folds
whitstick folds

Turn is the 6d
columbo has 15 seconds left to act
columbo checks
for funzies bets 270


MHG said...

Where's the turn??

KenP said...

The original call is fine. The pot odds and position give that.

Check is fine with a decent flop. If nobody bets more than half the pot, calling to that is righteous.

So, lets say that happens and you hit. The idea is small pot poker with a half pot bet of your own or something a bit different based on read. You've got a hand but not the nuts. Good chance you'll make some nice change but it is still foldable to idiots of various stripe.

pokerpeaker said...

I"m not sure. I guess you wouldn't mind taking the pot down, but he's shown interest, and that tells me if you hit your flush, you might be able to stack him, maybe even if you hit your two pair or trips. If that's the case, and someone shows serious interest in the pot, I don't like to check-raise, because there's a good chance that he'll re-raise you back, and the you have to think about putting all your stack in on a draw, which sucks.

Instead, pay to draw and if you hit you might get a lot more chips.

Mike said...

Like mhg said, what's the turn? Did you hit the flush? No? Dump.
I'm thinking funzies started with A-rag. Maybe hit his A-7. Either case at this early in the tourny I wouldn't recomend that you bet 3/4pot chasing a flush on the river.

Fuel55 said...

more bad than good - you dont want to give free cards

columbo (at eifco dot org) said...

The turn and river is not part of the equation. I am trying to determine if a check-raise at this point in the hand is practical or donkish.

columbo (at eifco dot org) said...

oops, I see what you mean now. The turn does need to be there. must have been an edit mistake. I'll have to check.

Flawless said...

I too suggest the same as one of the commenter of this blog 'MIKE' said. I didn't found any turn there.

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columbo (at eifco dot org) said...

sorry, turn is the 6d

carbide said...

ususaly when she leads out this small she doesn't have much. She probably has a bad Ace or a queen. Likely if you check raise you TID. That said I think check raise on flop would be better. Curious why lead so big on flop with bottom pair and flush draw?

HighOnPoker said...

I'd check-raise here. If your opponent falls, you win with a weak hand, which is always good. If she calls, you can catch one of your outs. On the other hand, if you just call, you probably won't get action on a rivered flush AND you obviously have to fold to any additional pressure. The pot is big enough to try to take it on the turn.

webmaster said...

At this stage, you're not getting very good odds on calling, especially as a landed flush is unlikely to pay off and you may even be up against a bigger flush. Instead, I prefer to continue to bet the turn, about 200-250 to keep control of the pot. As a previous poster commented, they've shown interest in position, so you want to be cautious and not get over-committed. You may well win the hand there but if you get a call on your turn bet, you've got outs which will be disguised better if landed. If you get re-raised, you've got to slow down and use your previous history with this player to put them on a range of hands. You may get the odds to stay involved but you may also wish to lay down to fight another day.
The real key in any hand analysis is the previous play you've experienced, it's never just about your hand - you must use your knowledge of this player's style to decide what to do. If you've seen them lay down to check-raises regularly, or if they always bet when checked to, it changes what you need to do.