Monday, May 07, 2007

the big dilema

Mondays at the Hoy (17511686), Table 6 - FIRST HAND!!!

The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to columbo [Jc Js]
sellthekids folds
ScottMc folds
UpForPoker folds
columbo raises to 60
hoyazo folds
TFG folds
tasit folds
Mike_Maloney raises to 150
PirateLawyer folds
columbo calls 90 (danger? reraise...)

*** FLOP *** [3c 5d 4d]
Mike_Maloney bets 275 (almost POT)
columbo has 15 seconds left to act
columbo raises to 888 (Big raise)
Mike_Maloney: hmm
Mike_Maloney has 15 seconds left to act
Mike_Maloney raises to 2,850, and is all in



columbo (at eifco dot org) said...

so I make the layodwn only to find out much later that he had TT.

Then, on hand 47, the same situation came up only this time I had KK. Hoy had AA.

Insult to the donks, THIS TIME I call.

...I suckout on hoy :(

James said...

You should keep us in suspense a bit longer. ;) I was just about to write, "Fold, you really think he has TT here?"

columbo (at eifco dot org) said...

That might have been a costly laydown for a 1/3 of my chips on the first hand, but at the end...

I cashed! And it only took 1 suckout.

Short-Stacked Shamus said...

This is a difficult one. I'd probably be inclined to fold simply b/c its the first hand.

I've seen/experienced this same dilemma a few times. Dunno if this is a good way of looking at it, but I have sometimes responded by simply looking at where my overpair ranks among the other possibles & making my decision accordingly. E.g., let's say it is an eight-high board and I'm facing the same decision with QQ. There are five other overpairs (besides QQ), and my QQ beats 3 and loses to 2. So I'd call. (Only if I'm fairly sure he's also got an overpair.)

This way of looking at the problem probably doesn't apply so well to a five-high board, though. Nor on the tourney's first hand, where unknown players' all-in ranges are much greater than later on.

Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazo said...

For me, I think this is a big fat fold here. No way I want to take a chance that the guy is on QQ, KK or AA at this point. I mean, your big raise to 888 was essentially you asking him if he could beat a pair of Jacks. He responded to you by saying Yes. So I think you have to fold.

Never mind that he actually had Tens. That is a terrible allin reraise by him on the flop there with Tens, and I believe you responded appropriately.

To me this fold is so clear that I would hardly even call it a big laydown. Maybe not an automatic fold, but you do have to fold this if you take your finish in this tournament seriously.

Nice job last night, way to make your own luck and then play well with those chips.

Instant Tragedy: Just Add Sean said...

Timing is big in tournament play. Can you put him on anything that don't beat your Jacks? Maybe but a tournament is a marathon not a sprint and the goal is put your money in when you KNOW that you have the better hand. 33 44 55 67 A2 QQ KK AA all win here only 1010 99 88 77 66 22 lose 8 Hands possible that beat you while you only have 6 hands that win. Magic 8 Ball says Odds Fuzzy: Ask again later, but fold now!

Mike said...

I wrote a bit about my thoughts on this hand on my blog, and I guess what it comes down to is your play on the flop caused me to ignore the notion that you had a bigger pp than I did. A min-raise to open the pot from MP on the first hand of the tournament screams weakness to me. I thought you had a medium pp or AJ or something along those lines.

Once you re-raised post-flop I put you on a medium pp and thought I had the better hand. So maybe that was too close-minded an approach for me to take and play that hand based largely on how you played pre-flop, but I think that's what my thought process was. I felt like you were just pushing me around, but didn't feel confident about the hand. I dunno, it just never once looked to me like you had Jacks.

So yeah, I'm not sure, maybe I'm just an uber-donkey and made a mistake that just happened to work out.